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  • Jon Dron commented on a bookmark Diaspora hype August 30, 2010 - 11:12am
    Yes, I think that's the plan Curtis: GPG is at the heart of it all. They suggest that most people will go for hosted, cloud-style solutions but that they will be able to run their own if they have the resources and interest, and (crucially) should...
  • Jon Dron bookmarked Diaspora hype August 29, 2010 - 3:02pm
    I want to love Diaspora, I really do. It is entirely about an open, controllable and free social networking system. It is being created by 'four talented young programmers' (their words) who clearly have passion and enthusiasm, and its aspirations...
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    • Curtis C. August 30, 2010 - 10:58am

      I wonder if diaspora is going to have each person have a GPG key. I think usability is going to be the big issue with them in terms of where the "seed(?)" is hosted. They'll need free hosting providers of some kind. I should read more about it. Smile

    • Jon Dron August 30, 2010 - 11:12am

      Yes, I think that's the plan Curtis: GPG is at the heart of it all. They suggest that most people will go for hosted, cloud-style solutions but that they will be able to run their own if they have the resources and interest, and (crucially) should be able to move from one provider to another with relative ease. 

  • Jon Dron commented on the blog Fuzzy tags August 28, 2010 - 4:55pm
    The value of tags is very high at a system level in a social space which has networks, groups and individuals - the more that people do it, the better it is for everyone. The benefits to the individual are often less obvious so it is not surprising...
  • Jon Dron commented on the blog Fuzzy tags August 27, 2010 - 9:03pm
    Interesting ideas Glenn. I don't think a grasp of set theory is needed for the concept. When I first developed the concept of qualities I was looking for a way of doing collaborative filtering without having to match users with each other - to allow...
  • Jon Dron commented on the blog Fuzzy tags August 27, 2010 - 4:11pm
    Because the scale could be anything (an infinite range between zero and one, for instance, as easily as a Likert scale) I think the term is accurate. Fuzzy logic is almost certainly the best kind for dealing with fuzzy tags which would best be seen...
  • Jon Dron published a blog post Fuzzy tags August 27, 2010 - 2:02pm
      In the past I have written about tags to which we attach some value. Once upon a time in the late 1990s I called these qualities - a means of describing the things that we find valuable in a resource that do not fall neatly into yes-no tag...
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    • Eric von Stackelberg August 30, 2010 - 9:15am

      If we consider

      a) crisp tags=tagging,

      b) fuzzy tags= tagging(0...1) /* fuzzy quality */,

      c) multi-valued tags=tagging((quality=0...1),/* fuzzy quality */ (value_to_learner=0...1) /* importance with fuzzy quality)) 

      I had thought Intent would be identified in the fuzzy or multi-valued tag examples. As mentioned the cold start problem would be worse as the tags become more complex but through a combination of UI and  adaption, personalization to decrease the overhead with tagging we should get better data of all three types.

      I should note, that I thought of scalar tags as C, which effectively include the confidence or fuzziness of B for specific attributes. This way as a learner, I can also review the tagging meta-data created by more experienced.

       

       

       

    • Stuart Berry August 30, 2010 - 11:09am

      I think the above comments are an example of how a continued discussion can begin to flush out an idea, push out and hopefully clarify points and when this has reached its natural end I wonder how this complete discussion might be tagged. I am not suggesting this conversation is anywhere near done - just an observation.

      I am trying to think through how I might answer you Jon with respect to an example of an intent tag. I have not yet gathered a single piece of data and yet as I read through the prior contributions of learners in my course archive I am concerned as to how others may find and then perceive value and what they might need to assist them in possibly finding their way through the material. (Maybe I am just expressing doubt about my research) However I see great potential in this archival mass partly due to my perspective and partly because I am working hard to find this value. I think tagging is just one element in this process.

      In reading through two years of course contributions I find rich discussions, great clarity of intent, as well as a lot of phatic asides. I think the phatic asides can be as valuable as the rich contributions  and in most cases it is clear that they are just an aside comment but there are also a number of postings that have rich content but appear to wander somewhere else completely. The idea of an intent tag in this instance might be "an aside" or "off topic" or something more focussed on the actual wandering. I understand your concern about the metadata but maybe the idea of an intent-tag is less about the broader aggregation and could be more seen as a set of sub-tags. This does assume that the author used some clear crisp or fuzzy tags as well but I think of systems that use hierarchical naming schemes and maybe tagging needs to evolve into some form of multi-layered hierarchy. One layer (the top) that spoke to a more universal audience and sub-layers that spoke to a local audience.

    • Jon Dron August 31, 2010 - 10:27am

      @Stuart - I completely agree re sub-tags (we have work in progress to try to do that and my earlier systems used a 2-stage hierarchy of crisp tags then a further layer of fuzzy ones) but it becomes very complex in interface terms and massively increases the cold start problem when we do that. Each higher level in the hierarchy is a little tag system in itself in which a separate tag cloud develops.

      I like the concept of phatic tags - it opens up a huge realm of other potential speech acts we might encapsulate as tags- performative tags (e.g. 'I agree', 'I do') for instance. I guess the value is particularly great if we are performing qualitative content analysis or want to visualise dialogue structures but I am always wary that every time we impose a constraint or affordance we are changing the system: in its weakest form it is a kind of social equivalent of Schroedinger's cat, in its strongest it can profoundly shape and form interactions. This can have value when we are strongly aware of what and why we are shaping it the way we do though, more often, we have tended to let it happen: for instance, the highly constraining form of the threaded discussion that is so ubiquitous and unreflectively implemented in much online learning. Giving people more control over the kind of tags and other fields used, as well as the ways things can interact, seems like a good idea.

      Given the developing discussion here, it seems like it would be good to let people (collectively) create what would effectively be a structured database: to add fields that allow us to capture more structured data such as 'intent tags' or  Glenn's more structured tags, or Eric's multi-valued tags. Once a particular kind of data entry field has been created by someone, anyone else could use it when adding resources (blogs posts, wiki pages, bookmarks etc) if they want.  There is actually a forms plugin for Elgg that allows administrators to do something vaguely along those lines so it would not take too much to convert it into something a bit more social and let anyone play. Once you have defined a certain field type (e.g. 'intent', 'metatag' etc) you and others could re-use it in other forms. It would be hard to make it do more than act as a search field or maybe cluster things as behaviours are much harder to enable than data capture, but it might help to give a bit of hardness to the process if that's what people need.

       

       

      @Eric-

      That's an interesting distinction: so, are multi-valued tags (i) effectively multi-dimensional fuzzy tags, or do you mean (ii) that this is a fixed array of two elements that includes both the evaluation itself and a rating of the personal value of that evaluation to you? It's beginning to sound quite recursive!  

      If we are talking about multi-dimensional fuzzy tags then we might as well simply use fuzzy tags and allow people to select more than one at a time: that is a more flexible solution than an array. If I use a fuzzy tag of 'value to me' then I can achieve exactly the same result without the complexity.

      If, on the other hand, it is a fixed array with two associated elements, the fuzzy tag itself and the value of the tagged resource to me as a learner then it gets more interesting but it is redundant: the fact that someone uses a tag in the first place carries with it an implication that the tag has some meaning or relevance - there would be no point in tagging something about which you care little. If I say that this is 'good for beginners' and, say, give it a rating of 5/5 it not only means that I think it is good for beginners but that I find this worth noting in the context I am using it, from my own perspective. If I give it a rating of 1/5 I am implying that 'good for beginners' is important to me but that this is hopeless in that context (but I might find other things of value about it). Why would I tag something using a quality that is unimportant to me?  So, the fact that I have tagged it in the first place carries an implication of both the value of the resource and its relevance to me as a learner. It is of no interest to others how useful I found it as a separate concern from the tag itself. The interesting thing to others is why I found it valuable and how valuable I found it in that context, which is what fuzzy tags already give us.

      And yes, the data become exponentially more sparse and the cold-start problem even colder.

      Alas, we gain nothing from people who are more experienced as tags are thrown off along the learning journey as we learn: when they tagged things they were in the same boat as we are. Now they have learned what it was they sought to learn, they are unlikely to go back and change the weighting unless they are either remarkably altruistic or forced to do so by teachers.

       

      All bets are off if we want to do some collaborative filtering or make use of a reputation system, where individual relevance does make a big difference and may well be worth recording, but there are gigantic cans of worms once we start down those paths about which many PhD theses have been written.

       

       

       

  • Jon Dron uploaded the file fuzzy tags August 27, 2010 - 1:32pm
    it's a joke - fuzzy tags are actually those which have fuzzy values.
  • Jon Dron uploaded the file fuzzy tags August 27, 2010 - 1:32pm
    it's a joke - fuzzy tags are actually those which have fuzzy values.
  • Orkut is trying to catch up with Elgg - it looks mighty familiar! Elgg has been doing exactly this for several years. We are creating a toolset that will go much further than this in enabling us to project personas. All Orkut (and Elgg) are doing...
  • Jon Dron published a blog post Sets and Nets August 23, 2010 - 4:46pm
    If you are not involved in social computing, social network analysis, sociology or similarly network-focussed disciplines and interest groups, this is going to seem like a pretty odd thing to make a fuss about (surely this is all common sense) so...
  • Jon Dron created a wiki page Getting to know the system in the group The Landing Help Community August 23, 2010 - 1:26pm
    The Landing offers a huge range of facilties for you to share things with others, make connections with people, communicate,  and form communities. This is a very brief overview of some of the main features, but is not comprehensive. Do feel...
  • Jon Dron created a wiki page Notifications - turning email and web alerts on and off in the group The Landing Help Community August 23, 2010 - 1:23pm
    By default, the Landing will send you emails if people comment on your posts or post things to groups of which you are a member. It is possible to set this so that you receive no notifications at all, or you can avoid emails and get notifications...
  • Jon Dron bookmarked Facebook privacy settings: Who cares? August 1, 2010 - 1:48pm
    danah boyd, as ever, pushing the bar on research into social computing, this time with the help of Eszter Hargittai. As it turns out, privacy is not showing any signs of dying soon and it is something people really really want. If only...
  • Jon Dron commented on the blog Icebergs and achievement July 21, 2010 - 10:28am
    I like that metaphor very much. I wonder if the pointillist picture in an online context is not so much made of people in networks as aspects/facets of them revealed through the artefacts they share? I think most of us would provide a few colours to...
  • Jon Dron published a blog post Icebergs and achievement July 20, 2010 - 5:56pm
    Reading a PhD thesis today that discusses, amongst many other things, the effects of different kinds of motivation on achievement, I was struck once again by the great weaknesses of many of our traditional methods of measuring achievement. The study...
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    • Jon Dron July 21, 2010 - 10:28am

      I like that metaphor very much. I wonder if the pointillist picture in an online context is not so much made of people in networks as aspects/facets of them revealed through the artefacts they share? I think most of us would provide a few colours to the mix!

      Aoki's lived-experience ideas are very nice. They resonate with Peter Vaill's thoughts on learning as a way of being (see book of the same name) which also appeal to me a lot.